Jen: Will you please share a short bio with us?
Rachel: I was born in Pittsburgh, but moved to the Chicago suburbs when I was about 12. My mother had died when I was eight and we moved when my father remarried. I had a rather “colorful” childhood. I went to an evangelical Christian school from grade 5 – 8 where I learned about all manner of illegal substance and was kicked off the pep squad for smoking! My illustrious high school career was short-lived; I dropped out in my sophomore year and my brother and my step-siblings (one stepsister, one stepbrother) were all kicked out of our parent’s house on the same day. I was the youngest – at 16. My brothers went to live at the YMCA and finished their last year of high school while living there. I don’t know where my stepsister went. I lived in and out of my car for nine months.

But after three years, it became clear that life wasn’t going to be easy if I continued working dead end jobs and living in one apartment after another. So I went to North Central College in Naperville, Illinois and explained my life to the dean of admissions – he’s a facebook friend now! His name is Rick Spencer and I credit him with helping me change my life. He accepted me and I earned my B.A. in 1992 and went on to Emerson College for graduate school. I got my MFA there in 1995.

I have to say, though, that I was so very lucky. I come from a family of writers on my mother’s side. My grandfather was a poet and journalist. My great uncle created the Addam’s Family and wrote science fiction novels. His son – my cousin – is a fantastic poet and writer named Lance Lee in California. So even in the worst of times, I always wanted to be a writer. I have many journals from when I was young – some more embarrassing than others – but what mattered was that writing always gave me a place to go, if you know what I mean. It still does.

After grad school, life was fairly normal… I traveled widely. I wrote for newspapers and magazines, and eventually ended up as a contributor to a few shows on NPR. In 2003 I moved to Cambodia to cover the war crimes tribunals, and ended up writing Fugitive Denim: A Moving Story of People and Pants in the Borderless World of Global Trade (WW Norton). Ironically, it has nothing to do with the trials. This fall I’ll be living in Washington, DC with my family and teaching in the MFA program at American University. It’s an exciting new chapter for me.

Jen: Tell us about Fugitive Denim: A Moving Story of People and Pants in the Borderless World of Global Trade and where it's available.
Rachel: Fugitive Denim is out in paperback this April and is available pretty much everywhere, so far as I know. Japan, England, Korea, China and a few other countries are publishing it as well. Essentially, I wanted to be able to tell a story of globalization that would explain the tangled intricacies of it in the most entertaining, engaging way. So it’s a book that follows the making of a metaphoric pair of jeans from the cotton fields – I actually spent a horrendous day picking cotton on the Iranian border – to the schwanky New York lofts of Bono and his wife’s clothing company (Edun). It’s funny and poignant and is ultimately a story of a lot of people trying to carve out their own survival in an incredibly difficult world.

Jen: At what age did you discover writing and when were you first published? Tell us your call story.
Rachel: I wrote my first book when I was eight. It was called Mr. Stubbs Strikes Again and it was about a bear who inadvertently kept solving police crimes and every time he did, they gave him a bronze medal, which he thought was caramel and he subsequently ate them Every Single Time. He wasn’t a particularly clever bear. I still have that book. I illustrated it, too… with pencil.

I’ve kept journals my whole life. I was probably twelve or thirteen before I realized that not all kids had to keep journals growing up… “brush your teeth, put on your pj’s, write in your journal.” I have lots of that early writing and it’s completely charming until about age 13, when I began my brutal phase of teen angst poetry. But really, I just always wanted to be a writer. When I was very young I thought I could be a writer and a jockey, and I was in anguish the day I grew to be over five feet tall. So I decided to be a writer and an archeologist and in a way, writing is archeology. They’re both fields of such grand discoveries, but also tiny, sacred discovers that often matter to just a very few people.

My first official publication, beyond grad school journals and such, was an essay in Mademoiselle magazine about the struggle I had with bulimia in my early 20s.

Jen: Are there any other writers, published or not, in your family?
Rachel: I think I answered this above. I have to say, my brother Dave is an historian and mostly an academic writer, but I honestly think he’s the best writer in my immediate family. He’s not published in mass media publications, but he should be. He has a mind on fire.

Jen: Do you have a writing routine?
Rachel: In theory I do, but I have a ten month old baby who does not yet conform to mummy’s career schedule! I like to write before I’ve done anything else in the day. I’m not a particularly early riser, so often I’ll write from maybe 10 am on. If I’m on a deadline for a magazine or radio piece, I will spend eight or ten hours in my office and probably half that time is spent just sitting and thinking about the subject. My husband has walked in on me staring at the walls so many times! If I’m working on fiction or something that’s closer to personal essay, I like a routine… two or three hours a day and that’s it.

One thing I do that not too many writers do anymore is hand write. I use a different color ink every day, so my manuscripts look like rainbows. In Cambodia we have so many power cuts, and I’ve covered so many stories of war and natural disaster where a computer is a liability, that I’ve worked very hard to keep my ability to hand write. It also makes me slow down and think things through.

Jen: How do you shut out disruptions?
Rachel: I’m terrible at this, truth be told. But we’ve built me a sound proof(ish) office in our back garden that’s separate from the house. So that helps. But really I’m just demanding to live with in this way… we have a very quiet house.

Jen: What kind of research did you do for this book?
Rachel: Loads! Much of my traditional research took place at the Library of Congress and I had lots of help from the amazing librarians there. But also, I traveled to so many countries and just spent weeks and weeks in each of them… Azerbaijan, Italy, France, Cambodia, China, New York. It was arduous, particularly where I didn’t speak the language. I filled seven notebooks with my notes from these areas.

Jen: Do you do anything special to celebrate a sale, new contract, or release?
Rachel: Well, I’ve only had one and it came at a time of great distress for me. My husband was doing disaster relief in the Cayman Islands after a terrible hurricane, and he was hit head on by a drunk driver. Once he was stable enough to be moved, they airlifted him to Atlanta, Georgia for more treatment, and I got my book deal the first week we were in Atlanta. I think I woke him up and we smiled at each other and that was about it. Maybe I’ll come up with a ritual for the next book.

Jen: Do you have a favorite character or one that you identify most with?
Rachel: That’s a tough question. I found the idealism of Scott Hahn – on of Bono and Ali’s designers – just so totally infectious. But I also loved the melancholy and sadness of Vasif, this wildly wealthy cotton gin owner and farmer in Azerbaijan who yearned for a return to the Soviet Union. I think I can relate to his general sense of yearning. I will live my life yearning, I think.

Jen: If you could travel back in time for one year, what time and place would you choose? And if you could only take 3 things with you, what would they be?
Rachel: That’s an impossible question. But I’d probably go back to the 1910s and 20s and be with my grandmother when she was young. She was a dancer in New York – part of the troupe who went on to become the Rockettes. She met my grandfather and they eloped. I think I’d just like to be a witness to their lives and their histories.

As for what I’d bring, well… my daughter, Jazz, my best friend, Ann, and a suitcase full of blank journals. Or maybe I’d bring ziplock baggies. They’re incredibly useful; I’m sure the people in the 1920s would be wowed by ziplocks.

Jen: Who are some of your favorite authors and books? What are you reading now?
Rachel: Right now I’m reading Wally Lamb’s new book, The Hour I First Believed. I just finished Marilynne Robinson’s books Housekeeping and Gilead. I feel like Housekeeping should be required reading. It changes the way I think about writing. It was so utterly beautiful, so sparse and perfect that it made me ache. I also love anything by Andre Dubus III, Adrian Nicole LeBlanc, Dave Eggers, J.S. Foer, Susan Orlean, Barbara Kingsolver, Dorothy Allison, Annie Proulx, etc. etc. I could go on for days with this one…

Jen: What do you do in your free time?
Rachel: It depends on if I’m in the developed world or the developing world. Since I’ve had a kid – I gave birth in Bangkok last May – I’ve spent an inordinate number of nights watching DVDs, truth be told. But before Jazz came along, we kayaked on the Mekong frequently – I got engaged in a kayak on the Mekong. But when I’m in the developed world I love, love, love to salsa dance. Though I always spend my first week just readjusting to America again… I find myself going into Whole Foods stores not because I want or need anything, but just because they’re so… beautiful and tranquil. Bad things don’t happen in Whole Foods stores, I’m convinced.

Jen: What's next for you?
Rachel: I’m about 150 pages into my novel, which is currently called: “Burgled: The Partly True and Mostly Terrible Story of One Afternoon on Ilios Lane.” I like long titles. ;) I’ve also just finished the first draft of a kids’ book, and I have a nonfiction book idea I’m looking into, but it’s just in the beginning phases.

Jen: Where can you be found on the web?
Rachel: On my website: http://www.globalgrit.com, though the site’s currently being rebuilt, so it’ll take a month or so. NPR and Marketplace also have a few of my stories posted, which can be fun to listen to.

Jen: Is there anything you’d like to ask our readers?
Rachel: This is probably terribly selfish to ask, but one of the problems with Fugitive Denim from the start has always been how to describe it that accurately captures what it is… a often funny and sometimes irreverent book on globalization that reads like a novel, but is researched like the nonfiction chronicle that it is??? That just doesn’t quite sound right… So for those who read it, I’d be interested in knowing how YOU’D describe it!

Also, I love to hear what compels different readers about the books they read… is it character? Plot? Topic? Authorial recognition? The writing itself?

Jen: Thank you Rachel for stopping by Book Talk this week. Readers, we have an extra special contest this week. Rachel has been busy and has wrangled up not only a copy of her book for the winner, but she's also gotten Loomstate (big shout out to Scott Hahn and Rogan Gregory) to give away an organic cotton T-shirt and a pair or organic cotton jeans. So, to enter this week's contest, leave a comment here since Rachel will be around all week to answer your questions. Then (and this is the important part!), email me at admin.bookblog@gmail.com and include your mailing address and clothing size. A winner will be chosen on Thursday, April 9 from those who completed both parts of the entry process.

23 comments

  1. BookTalkAdmin // April 06, 2009 6:45 AM  

    Rachel, thanks for being the guest this week.

    I'm curious... what was the inspiration or reason behind the book?

    Jen
    admin.bookblog@gmail.com

  2. Rachel Louise Snyder // April 06, 2009 7:03 AM  

    When I moved to Cambodia in 2003, I learned the country was the site of this incredible experiment, essentially, that outlawed sweatshops in exchange for favorable trade status with the U.S. It was a pretty innovative program -- we all know sweatshops exist, but we don't know how to address the problems, necessary. But when Cambodia joined the W.T.O., they lost that favorable trade status. Still, they were determined to forge ahead with their system of decent labour, so the question became whether or not they could survive. They were the only country in the world doing this, and it seemed to me that if they failed, it would have deep ramifications far beyond their borders. It would say something about all of us, really. So I wanted a way to tell that story, but I didn't want it to be dry and mired in all this intense economic data. I wanted it to be a story of lives. Of life. And survival. And humanity. That sounds very lofty. It's also just a story about cool people. And jeans.

  3. Anne-Marie // April 06, 2009 7:50 AM  

    Rachel - Your writing is very descriptive and humorous. I'm curious as to how you developed your voice on paper and if you write the same way in your personal journals.

  4. Saskia Coenen Snyder // April 06, 2009 7:53 AM  

    Hi Rachel,

    I thoroughly enjoyed reading Fugitive Denim, which was enlightening, funny, moving, and necessary.

    You mention at some point in the book that a pair of jeans say a lot about a person, that they visually reflect who you are, how you live your life, how you sit and walk etc. At the end of its life, then, jeans are almost like a book or a painting that we can "read" and from which we can gather a lot of information.

    My question, then, is: what do we do with this relic after its life is over? What are we supposed to do with our old pair of jeans that tell us so much about ourselves? Do we give them a proper burial? Do we throw them in the trash? In other words, what's your post-mortem strategy for jeans?

    Kisses to Jazz,
    ~Saskia

  5. J. A. Hunsinger // April 06, 2009 8:46 AM  

    Rachel,
    Jen has done a great job of drawing out the real you, thank you for sharing your life and writing with us. I especially love your start in life; proof positive that you cannot keep a good gal down.
    Well-done, Rachel!
    Best,
    Jerry

  6. Rachel Louise Snyder // April 06, 2009 8:51 AM  

    Hi Anne-Marie:

    Thanks! I think it developed on its own a bit. At some point, I just began to see a lot of humor in things... even things that might not seem funny on the face of things -- like globalization. Or poverty. But humor salts the world, really. As for my journals... they do sort of reflect my writing. I rarely write in them, for example, about my homelife -- my husband or daughter -- but I do write about everyday life. Things I encounter, etc. My grandfather was drawn to puns and to humor and I think I've drawn from that influence. But he was also poignant at time. He wrote a haunting, beautiful poem about the death of his daughter -- my mother. I think if you write humor, it's often good to ground it in poignancy if the subject calls for it.

    As for the note from Saskia -- my sister-in-law who happens to be married to the brains in my family! -- you should of course recycle your jeans, preferably in a developing country. They do carry our lives on them, but they're no more precious than any other object we keep around the house... china or art or jewelry. That said, I DO still have the Levi's jean jacket I wore to high school every single day. I had it resewn in London recently by Junky Styling near Brick Lane. They take old sentimental clothing -- like your grandfather's old suit -- and remake it into things like bustiers and sexy little shrugs and things. You can do that, too.

    Jazz sends a toothy shriek!

    Cheers,
    Rachel

  7. robynl // April 06, 2009 4:18 PM  

    Rachel, have you considered publishing your teenage poetry? Would you want others to read your personal thoughts at that time in your life?

    is it character? Plot? Topic? Authorial recognition? The writing itself?
    ---Authorial recognition goes without saying; when I stumble upon a book I like from an author I look into other books by the same author.
    ---I don't usually choose a book upon the character(s) as I get to know them and become friends with them as I'm reading their story.
    ---the Topic is something I consider as I love Contemporary romances that can be in the Medical, Historical or Western sub-genre.
    Thanks for being here.

  8. Rachel Louise Snyder // April 06, 2009 5:26 PM  

    The only way I'd publish my teenage poetry is if it were part of some humor piece. It's pretty abysmal stuff. My teenage journals are much more raw, but I'm not really interested in the moment at writing a memoir. Perhaps someday... But there's too much for me to explore in the world.

    Cheers,
    Rachel

  9. Gayley // April 07, 2009 9:00 AM  

    I think your description of the book is perfect and a single sentence, to boot.
    Or you could call it the best, most page-turningest book about the making of a pair of blue jeans written for all the people who wear said blue jeans. Or maybe that limits your audience, because who wears blue jeans?
    I loved this book. You made a potentially dry subject so fascinating and wrote with your novelist's eye and ear and brought these fabulous characters to life. I think the cotton guy from Azerbaijan is my favorite character.
    Awesome book. May it find the broader audience who would love it!

  10. gregory arthur // April 07, 2009 1:46 PM  

    Hey Rachel,

    I join the congrats on this list; I really enjoyed Fugitive Denim and think it’s an important book. That word “globalization” gets tossed around so fast these days that its meaning becomes blurred. Books like yours ground us in the details we can see and feel and touch. Even simple lines like, “you have to convince the biggest cotton mill around – and by around I mean Turkey” remind us how close by these far off countries really are.

    My question is about one of your characters, the cotton farmer, Vasif. I love your description of him. A grizzly bear of man, who grips a wine glass “like it's a chicken's neck”, Vasif is nevertheless a surprisingly dainty eater, consuming only a few mouthfuls of food per meal. (Awesome descriptions of food, by the way.) So… what happened to that guy? That chapter ends so mysteriously, with Vasif admitted to an ‘unknown sanitorium for unknown reasons.’ Did he crack under the pressures of being the Big Benefactor? Is it related to him feeling like a volcano? I felt like, as a writer, this was one of those times where you didn’t really know what happened and wanted to be honest about your confusion. But I would love to hear your thoughts on what might have happened, and why you included that detail to close the chapter.

    Thanks,
    Gregory

  11. Jessica // April 07, 2009 2:51 PM  

    You've had an interesting life. I wish I was that person who lived all over the world. We get so wrapped up in our lives that we forget there's a whole big world out there. I would love to live without all the pressures, stress, conveniences (would prefer running water though) for a short period of time just to see what it's like.

    Good luck to you and this book. Sounds very interesting!

    -jessica

  12. Sarah // April 08, 2009 5:18 AM  

    Hey Rachel,
    The book is great. I've recommended it to people who have asked about Cambodia "What is it that you do/see overseas when you live there" to get an understanding of the people side. And yes I'd say your "elevator speech" description of the book is spot-on. Not sure if it's too hackneyed to say the book highlights the interconnectedness of so many people via something that might seem rather small/mundane in the grand scheme of an overwhelming topic of globalisation - the peoplehood of a pair of traveling jeans.
    Thanks for continuing to get the stories out.

    ~Sarah

  13. Rachel Louise Snyder // April 08, 2009 5:45 AM  

    Hi Greg:

    Thanks for your comments. I ended that chapter on Vasif for a very literary reason: it makes you keep reading! Further in the book, I do go back and look for him, but I don't want to give away what happens here in case others haven't read it. But I will say that Vasif was both incredibly poignant and melancholy, and incredibly complicated, and I wanted to try to capture all of that. Juxtaposing his view of the past with Mehman's idealism about Azerbaijan's capitalistic future was also part of my attempt to capture the country at this critical moment by paralleling the two generations.

    Thanks!
    Rachel

  14. Rachel Louise Snyder // April 08, 2009 5:48 AM  

    Hi Jessica:

    You know... one thing I've learned from living first in London and now here in Cambodia is that your life is what it is no matter where you are. I get up and make my coffee every morning and do my writing and run my errands and it doesn't really matter about the geography. I found this both freeing and disappointing, which I realize is a total paradox! But let me say... you're never without pressures and stress. I have running water, but daily power cuts. I have cheap household help, but pay per megabyte (!) for my internet usage. You never "get" without "giving up" and vice versa.

    Still, I'd encourage everyone to live outside their own culture at least once in their life. You learn so much about yourself!

    Cheers,
    Rachel

  15. Rachel Louise Snyder // April 08, 2009 5:49 AM  

    Thanks, Sarah!

  16. Loung Ung // April 08, 2009 8:17 AM  

    I read Fugitive Denim in two sittings. Rachel's a great writer--witty, descriptive, and so very engaging. And wow, I was amazed at how Rachel tied all the story threads together to weave a seamless narrative of the cast and players, loomstates, and the borderless world of global trade. I will never buy another pair of jeans without wondering where it came from. Highly recommend this book!

  17. Michael Lerner // April 08, 2009 12:22 PM  

    Hi Rachel,

    I'm wondering if your views of and hopes for the garment industry in Cambodia have changed recently.

    You know (but some other readers may not, so I'll say it) that with the current economic crisis in the US and Europe, people in those places are buying less, so factory orders are down, and so the garment sector in Cambodia is hurting....factories are closing, workers are being laid off, etc etc etc. I can't help but wonder if Cambodia's "incredible experiment", as you put it above, will be able to weather the storm -- or if, in pursuit of fewer consumer dollars, the brands will see cost as all-important and that good labor conditions (and thus the Cambodian experiment) will be discarded in the process. As you say, if the experiment fails, the ramifications may be deep and reach beyond Cambodia's borders....

    So - what do you think?

    - Michael

  18. w.i.n.s.a.l.l. // April 09, 2009 2:05 AM  

    Rachel...will the book be available in electronic format for ebook readers such as the Kindle? If not, I will try to get the paperback when it comes out but less paper is better!

  19. Rachel Louise Snyder // April 09, 2009 4:49 AM  

    Hi There:

    Yes, the book will be available via kindle (though I'm a big supporter of local bookstores!). Someday a writer will talk publicly about the grand sacrifice we all make by selling our books on Amazon, and now by selling via the kindle (though I'm all for paperless, too, so it's a toss up).

    That's an interesting question, Michael. I do think the economic downturn has not helped make Cambodia's "experiment" any easier. Even the head of the Garment Manufacturer's Association of Cambodia told workers recently that times are very tough and they shouldn't, essentially, rock the boat -- a message I found abhorrent! So many in Cambodia attribute responsibility to the workers -- in tough times workers are told to keep quiet, to not strike, to accept lower wages. I've been fairly outspoken about how this is exactly the wrong approach, in my view. So I do think the experiment in Cambodia is extremely fragile right now, and conditions may be worsening (the women in the Phnom Penh jail, for example, are now subcontractors for the one of the big factories in town, and after their jailers take their cut, they make about $2.50 a month if they're lucky -- they don't know the brands they're sewing for either, apparently).

    But also, at the same time, groups like the Int'l Labour Org have learned a lot from Cambodia and they're implementing a system very similar -- but better in some ways -- than what exists in Cambodia in about five other countries, with future plans for more. So I guess the news is a little bit bad, and a little bit good.

    Cheers,
    Rachel

  20. Jean Akers // April 09, 2009 6:20 AM  

    I'm leaving Cambodia in 7 weeks, and I wish I'd read this book earlier. It should be required reading for people going to ANY of the countries you traveled to during your research. I look forward to reading your next book, and hope that there will be many more!

  21. Rachel Louise Snyder // April 09, 2009 6:24 AM  

    Wow! Thanks, Jean!

  22. BookTalkAdmin // April 09, 2009 8:06 PM  

    A big thanks to everyone who stopped by this week for the promo. I threw the names of everyone who emailed me into a hat and picked a winner. Gregory is the lucky winner. He's already been contacted.

  23. Chris Bauer // April 11, 2009 3:39 AM  

    I'm making this comment a bit late. Regardless, I'm moved by your difficult start in life and how you overcame obstacles that typically send a person's life directly and irreversibly into the crapper. Gives me hope for some folks I know who had some poor choices made on their behalf and then made poor choices on their own, that they can not only survive but flourish.